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Question: Thank you very much for the enlightening answers on
this website.
Would you please give us a detailed presentation from
the Ascended Host point of view on the inner planes?
In particular:

  • What levels exist beyond the etheric plane all the way
    to the Absolute and what is the significance of each?
    What beings abide in them?
  • Where and what is the level of the Holy Christ and the
    level of the I AM Presence?
  • How do the above two levels relate to what
    Theosophists called the “Buddhic level?”
  • What is really the nirvanic level (and nirvana)? Is it
    what has been called the unmanifest Absolute? Is it
    the level where Helios and Vesta abide in the heart of
    the Sun?
  • What is the relation between Helios and Vesta / Alpha
    and Omega, El Shaddai, Brahman, and the Trinity?
  • Where is the Great White Throne?

Answer from Jesus:

What levels exist beyond the etheric plane all the way
to the Absolute and what is the significance of each?
What beings abide in them?

A simple question with an infinitely complex answer. You might recall that in the New Testament is a passage which states that if all the things that I said and did should be written down, the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. This also applies to a description of the spiritual realm that exists above and beyond the etheric plane.

I have given more detailed teachings on higher planes in the following discourse, but this discourse does not go into as much detail as you are asking for. However, let me explain why it is difficult to give you a detailed answer to your question.

As explained in the discourse just mentioned, you live in what I call the world of form. This world is characterized by having some kind of form. This world is in contrast to the unmanifest aspect of God, which I call pure Being, and in which there are no forms, no divisions and no separation.
The material universe consists of a number of levels that can be divided into four sections. The lowest is the material realm, also called the physical octave. Above it in vibration is the emotional realm, by esoteric teachings called the astral plane. Above that is the mental level and above that the etheric level.

As you move beyond the etheric level, you move into the spiritual realm. The problem in describing the spiritual realm is that this realm is above and beyond the material universe. Therefore, it is vastly different from the material universe, and it is permeated by a state of consciousness that is very far from the state of consciousness currently found on planet Earth.

In their current state of consciousness, human beings tend to think in terms of divisions and separation. They are influenced by the types of forms they see around them on planet Earth. Therefore, they tend to project such forms, including the concept of division and separation, onto the spiritual realm. This will invariably affect their visions of and their understanding of the higher realms.

People are so used to thinking about the material universe in linear terms. In the spiritual realm, we have a spherical consciousness, and we do not divide this realm into separate compartments. Although there are levels of the spiritual realm, it would be misleading to describe them in the linear terms that human beings can understand.

In the book, Save Yourself, is a lengthy discussion of how spiritual visions can be affected by people’s beliefs. I explain that even when people have a genuine spiritual vision, they often project their current beliefs upon the vision and explain it in terms of these beliefs. This then invariably gives a more or less distorted view of the spiritual realm.

So the basic truth about the spiritual realm is that you have to experience it to fully understand it and see how different it is from planet Earth. Therefore, it is almost counterproductive to give a description of this realm, and that is why many religions shroud it in symbolism. There is nothing wrong with describing the spiritual realm in terms of symbolism, as long as people do not take the symbols literally. Unfortunately, because of the lower state of consciousness, so many people do take symbols literally and this has led to numerous conflicts and false interpretations.

At this point in time, I do not desire to add another description of the spiritual realm beyond what I have already given in the books and on this website. To give a valid and accurate description would require a huge investment of my messenger’s time, and I consider it a lesser priority right now. This might change in the future, but for now I do not want to give a lengthy description of the spiritual realm, and I would rather not give a sketchy description. I will, however, recommend that you study the book, Memories of God and Creation by Shakuntala Modi. I also recommended that you study some of the books on near-death experiences because many of them contain valid descriptions of the spiritual realm.

Let me also say that even if it was physically possible to give an accurate description of the spiritual realm, that description would become inaccurate the very moment it was released in the material universe. The reason being that the spiritual realm is not static. God is the creator and God never stops creating. This also holds true for all beings in the spiritual realm. Therefore, the spiritual realm is constantly growing, constantly transcending itself and constantly expanding. In other words, new levels are being added to the spiritual realm on a continual basis. That is why no description could be completely accurate.


Where and what is the level of the Holy Christ and the
level of the I AM Presence?

The Holy Christ, or universal Christ consciousness, is the only begotten Son of the Father/Mother God. It is the Word incarnate, meaning that it is the basic element, or substance, used to create the entire world of form. Therefore, the universal Christ consciousness is literally present everywhere with no exceptions. Even in the depths of Hell you will find the universal Christ consciousness.

Each soul in the material universe also has an individualized Christ consciousness, or Christ self. This Christ self serves as a mediator between the soul and the spiritual self, which is what you call the I AM Presence. The Christ self is always present with the soul, which means that no matter where the soul is, no matter how low a level of consciousness to which the soul has descended, the soul always has the option of contacting the Christ self. The Christ self literally is the open door which no human can shut. It is also the light which lights every soul that comes into the world.

So you can never get away from your Christ self. It is the hound of heaven which stalks your soul wherever it goes, constantly seeking to inspire your soul to turn around and start the path that leads back home.

The spiritual self, or the I AM Presence, is the very core of your identity and individuality. It is in the spiritual self that your God-given individuality is stored. The I AM Presence never descends below the highest level of the etheric plane. In other words, it is constantly abiding in the spiritual realm, and therefore it cannot be corrupted by any of the energies in this world. No matter what you might have done, in this or any past lifetime, you could not possibly have corrupted or polluted the purity of your I AM Presence and your God-given individuality.


How do the above two levels relate to what
Theosophists called the 'Buddhic level'?

There are different interpretations of this among Theosophists. So let me give you my interpretation. The Buddhic level is the level of the I AM Presence. It is therefore above and beyond the etheric level, which is the highest level of the material universe.


What is really the nirvanic level (and nirvana)? Is it what has been called the unmanifest Absolute? Is it the level where Helios and Vesta abide in the heart of the Sun?

Nirvana is the Buddhist word for the unmanifest absolute, or as I have called it, the state of pure Being. It is God in its unmanifest form.
As I explain elsewhere, there is a hierarchy of spiritual beings who abide in the spiritual realm. At the highest level of this hierarchy are two beings, called Alpha and Omega. They reside at the highest level of the spiritual realm, at the highest level of the Godhead that is the source of this system of worlds. This level is in some esoteric teachings called the Great Central Sun.

The sun of every solar system in the universe also has two spiritual hierarchs who serve the souls that embody in that solar system. These hierarchs abide in the highest level of the etheric octave of that solar system. Helios and Vesta are the spiritual hierarchs for the sun of the solar system in which you live.


What is the relation between Helios and Vesta /Alpha and Omega, El Shaddai, Brahman, and the Trinity?

As explained above, Alpha and Omega are the supreme spiritual hierarchs of this particular system of worlds. Helios and Vesta are the spiritual hierarchs who serve under Alpha and Omega.

El Shaddai is an ancient name for God which is what I call the creator. This is what the Vedas call Brahman, as the supreme power that created the universe.

The Trinity is the first level of manifestation that leads to the creation of the world of form.
The Father can be likened to the creator. The Son is the universal Christ consciousness out of which everything is created. The Holy Spirit is the creative force that is like a stream of energy which is constantly flowing from the center of the Creator through all levels of creation into the farthest levels of the world of form. It is constantly seeking to realign all energy with the purity and perfection of God. Hindus call it Shiva, or the destroyer of all that is unreal.

In reality, the Trinity should be expanded to encompass the Divine Mother, the feminine aspect of God. The creator is the masculine aspect of God, and it forms a polarity with the feminine aspect of God. Out of their union, the Son, the universal Christ consciousness, is created. The Holy Spirit is the creative impulse that causes the Christ consciousness to flow into the various manifestations in the world of form.


Where is the Great White Throne?

That depends on which throne you are talking about. Many of the hierarchs in the spiritual realm have spiritual palaces, or retreats, and many of them have a central throne room.

The Great White Throne mentioned in the Bible belongs to the Ancient of Days, who is called Sanat Kumara by Theosophy and other esoteric teachings sponsored by the Ascended Host. This particular throne is located in the etheric octave over the planet Venus, which is Sanat Kumara’s home planet. As described in several esoteric teachings, Sanat Kumara came to Earth on a rescue mission in order to save the souls that were stuck on this planet.

However, Helios and Vesta also have a a throne room in the etheric plane over the sun. Alpha and Omega have a white throne in the Great Central Sun. A white throne is made of energies of very high vibration and therefore it radiates white light.

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